Do intrusive shidduch questions make better marriages?

t’s a time-honored part of the shidduch process to investigate a prospect’s personality, family background, and history before meeting in person.

But over the years, the “information gathering” has taken new, disturbing proportions. Attempts to clarify relevant information have morphed into efforts to hunt down the slightest flaw or blemish. And along the way, we’ve transformed the shidduch process from a journey of discovery to a skewed funhouse mirror that denies one side’s shortcomings or struggles while magnifying those of others to grotesque proportions.

The more difficult we make the shidduch system, the more unnecessary layers and demands we add, the more foreboding it becomes. Not only will potential shadchanim think twice before venturing in; our single children, relatives, and friends will remain waiting.

What is going on in the shidduch world? How did we get here? And more importantly, what can we do about it?

Rabbi Efrem Goldberg’s call for a reset of our shidduch system drew significant responses.
What do you think?
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Rabbi Efrem Goldberg |

January 13, 2021

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Second Time Smarter // Mrs. B. Willig, Kew Gardens, NY
4 years ago
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Kudos to Rabbi Efrem Goldberg for his recent article on asking appropriate questions regarding shidduchim. I am often called for shidduch information and I recently made a very sad observation: I love getting calls for information concerning a zivug sheini! The questions are so intelligent and relevant to marriage and the callers don’t consider me naive for stating that the prospective young man or woman would simply make an excellent spouse (and after all, isn’t that the most important question to ask?!). So, please, let’s try that the first time ’round instead….
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Be A Cheerleader // Tova Levinson, Yerushalayim
4 years ago
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I was so happy to see the article on dating and the response letters. Just talking about the issues and raising awareness can generate positive changes to societal norms that have evolved over time that are neither normal nor acceptable.
I believe also that as parents, we can do our own part to help our children navigate this stage in a healthier, happier way.
A while back I asked an 18-year-old girl just back from seminary what her plans were. She responded that she’ll be working towards her MRS Degree. When I looked confused, her mother explained to me that she would be focusing most of her efforts on getting married. Really? And what if she is destined to get married at 20 or 22 or 25 or…? Instead of taking advantage of a precious time that she will never get back again, she will spend it mostly in a state of stress, disappointment, and anxiety.
I remember my dating years as a magical time. A time of self-discovery, learning more about the world and the people around me, a time of endless possibilities and potential. A time when I was able to give of myself to others in a way that I was unable to after I was baruch Hashem blessed with a family.
Of course this time had its share of angst and inner turmoil and when there were dating dry spells, I worried about what my future had in store for me. At these times my mother would say to me, “Tova, you only need one. And he’s out there — the most amazing guy who is just right for you. And he’ll come at just the right time.” She said it with so much confidence that I believed her.
Okay, so at this point in my life I’ve come to the realization that maybe my mother is not the most objective person when it comes to me. But don’t we all need someone who appreciates and values us for exactly who we are?
I would like to suggest that maybe we, as parents, can do something to help our children — especially our beautiful, amazing, kind, capable girls who are filled with anxiety and panic as they enter the dating stage.
Maybe the best thing we can do for our children is to be their cheerleaders, their biggest fans. To constantly tell our daughters how beautiful they are, how good and smart they are. When they come home from a date and say confidently, “this boy is not for me,” we need to show them that we trust their judgment and their ability to make good decisions. We can tell them, “Don’t worry — a boy who is much better for you is out there.” We can encourage them to learn something from the experience — about themselves or what they are looking for… and to think of someone who could be right for him.
We need to project with confidence what we all know intellectually: that Hashem runs the world and He has a plan for everyone, a different and unique plan for each person. That He loves us so much and constantly showers us with goodness. That we have to do our basic hishtadlus, but that has little if anything to do with the outcome.
If we teach our children to cherish and to take advantage of every stage of life and that whatever they are doing right now is so important and of so much value, regardless of marital status, then I think we have given our children a gift for life. Our constant reassurance and projection of calm and faith can be the lighthouse in the sometimes dark, unknown scary world that is the reality of our youth today.
And the greatest benefit: a happy, confident, optimistic person is so much more attractive!
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It Works For Us // Zale Newman, Toronto
4 years ago
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In regards to your recent article on shidduchim, we wish to make your readers aware of our efforts here in Toronto through the LevTolev volunteer shidduch initiative, now in its second year of operation in Toronto.
Our primary target audience is Jewish singles ages 23 to 45 from all walks of Jewish life. Our methodology involves an applicant filling in a profile, followed by two personal interviews (via WA, FT, and Zoom these days) and then we appoint two volunteer, but well-trained “match mentors” to work for our clients. We connect with our client base as well as Saw You at Sinai, YU Connects, and dozens of shadchanim across North America. Our primary connections are shadchanim in cities outside the area.
We hold seminars, Zoom events, live events (when allowed), and roundtable events where shadchanim discuss specific clients with other shadchanim. But our service is highly individualized. This is tough work in today’s environment where expectations are often unrealistic and where technology searches can ruin an excellent recommendation. But we persevere. At this point, we are recommending 500 quality dates each month to our client base.
We invite all Mishpacha readers and all shadchanim to check us out at levtolev.com. We are here to help. We will continue to work hard and we daven daily for continued siyata d’Shmaya in this critical, holy work.
Kudos to Rabbi Goldberg for his incredible article on shidduchim. I have a house of boys: five boys and one girl. I have now married off three boys without ever asking for a picture, without delving into every last detail of the girl or her family, and without hiring a private detective. And yes, I do have the scraps of paper (or backs of envelopes) with the pertinent information — middos and baalei chesed.
Although I live “out of town,” my boys have been in top yeshivos in the Tristate area and I have sent them from Baltimore to California and many states (and countries) in between to date as I believe a mensch shouldn’t require a bas Yisrael to have to travel to them. Baruch Hashem, in return I have the three most wonderful daughters-in-law and mechutanim that anyone can ask for.
I am hoping that when my daughter returns from Israel this year, she will be treated with the same respect, although in the current shidduchim scene, that is highly unlikely. I hope that the frum world will take seriously what Rabbi Goldberg has to say and realize that we are building the future of Klal Yisrael — shouldn’t we be looking for what is really important in life? And rather than the current demeaning shidduch process, shouldn’t we be treating the future mothers of Klal Yisrael with the respect and honor they deserve as the daughters of the King of Kings?
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Practical Guidance // A.S.
4 years ago
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As a parent of children in shidduchim, I would like to express my hakaras hatov to Rabbi Goldberg and Mishpacha for the article on overly invasive shidduch questions. It was spot-on! My daughter often receives questions about her friends that should never be asked.
FYI, the Chofetz Chaim Heritage Foundation recently launched a fabulous campaign called Clarity Calls to raise awareness about asking and answering shidduch questions in the proper manner. You can email joinclaritycalls@cchfglobal.org to receive practical questions and answers related to shidduchim and answered by a rav for 40 days. I highly recommend anyone “in the parshah” join this refreshing initiative.
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You Can Ask All You'd Like // A 24-year-old in shidduchim
4 years ago
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After reading the article by Rabbi Efrem Goldberg and some of the letters that were printed the following week, I wanted to add one point.
I know someone with a health condition and also knew I would likely have the opportunity to give shidduch information about her. I asked a prominent rav what to do if I were asked directly if this person has a health condition. I was told to respond “not that I know of.” To me, this seemed like sheker. However, the rav explained the now-common practice of revealing certain health conditions (obviously referring to conditions that are stable, not life-threatening, but yes, can possibly create challenges down the road), only by the fourth/fifth date. This is so that the couple has a chance to meet, get to know the real person, and a shidduch is not nixed prematurely for unnecessary reasons. For a reference to reveal this information would defeat the practice.
So, to all the mothers who say they will continue to ask these types of questions so as not to let their children get hurt and become attached to someone without knowing of a certain “flaw,” I am sorry to inform you that asking the questions may not really help get the answers you seek.
In all truth, I really thought our community was much more accepting of “flaws” such as chronic health conditions, mental health challenges that are stable and being addressed, as well as being on medication. I am not saying that I believe everyone should marry and be able to handle all sorts of challenges. However, to put down someone who has a condition they did not choose, someone who is strong enough to really acknowledge and address mental health challenges, or someone who is responsibly taking medication — simply put, that is naïve and judgmental, and just may cost your child a wonderful spouse.
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Seeking Respect // Mira Weiss, Cleveland
4 years ago
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I read with interest Rabbi Goldberg’s article “No Further Questions,” which reminded me of a story from many years ago while I was learning in yeshivah. At that time there was a bochur named Avi in shiur with me I thought would be a good match for my sister Gila. I approached a common friend Efrem to redt the shidduch. Efrem asked me some basic questions about my sister, and after hearing about her, agreed to speak with Avi.
The next day Efrem approached Avi in the beis medrash, told him about my sister, and encouraged him to go out with her. Avi agreed and sometime later they were engaged. At the vort, Efrem came over to the newly engaged couple and wished them a heartfelt mazel tov. Gila thanked Efrem profusely and said it was so nice to finally meet him. Avi, surprised, asked, “You mean you never met him”?
Now, more than 25 years later, my sister and brother-in-law are happily married with eight children. Our family has tremendous hakaras hatov to Rabbi Efrem Goldberg for being the shadchan, and have firsthand knowledge that his approach to shidduchim is effective.
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We Must Ask // A Concerned Father
4 years ago
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I read with interest Rabbi Goldberg’s article and with all due respect, his premise is not indicative of today’s reality. He stated, “I knew and trusted the person making the suggestion, the person knew Yocheved, and that was good enough for me to want to find out more.” While there is no empirical data, I would guess that less than 25% of the shidduchim made these days is a situation where the shadchan “knows” the boy and girl; and even when they do, their “knowledge” likely is limited to knowing their parents and assuming the child is of similar make.
This being the case, all we really know when a name is redt, is that some person thought these two candidates seem like a good match, so of course further checking is warranted to substantiate this. Should I also not ask if he smokes, since he can always quit? Should I not ask if he has anger issues, since he can always take an anger-management course? Should I not ask if there is shalom bayis, since that’s not the child’s fault?
The questions he suggested are very vague and will not elicit a true response, but a vague one as well. While we certainly shouldn’t be “fishing,” as parents we absolutely must ask very targeted and direct questions to gather more information out of care and concern for our children, and usually that is to someone not on the résumé.
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Why We Can't Trust // Name Withheld
4 years ago
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As a single in my late twenties, I think the real question is: Why do we feel unable to trust the people trying to help us get married?
Here are my top reasons:
1. Respect. Shadchanim, please afford me the same respect that I give you, by listening and respecting the things that are important to me. Please don’t be dismissive of the qualities that l find important in a spouse. Feel free to ask why they are important — because there might be wiggle room there — but by not taking my feelings and wants into account, you show me that you see little value in my opinion and perspective. Suggesting that I don’t know what I want or what I’m doing is insulting and demeaning.
2. Trust is a two-way street. In a similar vein, if I feel like you trust my ability to make appropriate life choices for myself, I am much more likely to listen and be open to other perspectives. I am constantly reevaluating what I’m looking for and am willing to be flexible. But if you don’t trust me to have my own best interest in mind, then what are we doing here?
3. Honesty. Please be honest about the person you are redting. Sometimes people have ideas that don’t exactly match what I’m looking for. Tell me why you think it’s still an idea, but don’t dismiss what I want. For example, “I know you’re looking for someone working, but because this candidate has XYZ background, I think he has the qualities you’re looking for.”
4. Scare Tactics. Maybe this works for some people, but not for me. When you tell me that I should consider a specific boy who is not what I’m looking for because —and I quote — “There are not so many left in this age group,” you really hurt my morale. I work very hard on building confidence; I need it to survive in this world. Yes, I know all of the facts, because I’m actually living it. If you met a couple without kids, would you start quoting the statistics of how many people in their situation can’t have children? I believe Hashem runs This World, and I don’t ever want statistics to sway my bitachon.
I have dealt with some amazing shadchanim and some less so. I am not saying singles are always right and never have hang-ups that in your mind are unreasonable. But we are adults and we have brains just like everyone else. If you trust me, I will trust you. May we all find our zivugim quickly!
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The Red Flags I Missed // Frum De Trenche
4 years ago
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After reading this week’s Mishpacha’s letters regarding Rabbi Goldberg’s article, I felt that a key point was missing.
As someone married for nearly a decade, I reflected back on my shidduch dating process. At the time, I wasn’t looking for perfect, I was looking for potential. I thought I had a good sense of the balance of focusing on the positive attributes, while being aware of flaws. Now I realize that I was missing an understanding of red flags.
There is a difference between someone who has sad moments and someone who is suffering from depression. Same for dating nerves versus lifelong anxiety. A youngish adult might not have a clear picture of who they are. Their same-age friends probably won’t be able to pinpoint if that part of the personality is just something that needs some middos work or if it needs medical assistance.
I do think parents with more life experience can ask questions and try to understand what their child is getting involved with. However, maybe more importantly, parents can be equipped to help their child feel out the difference between a middah being part of who the person is and an underlying mental illness that may only fully present itself after a few years and kids.
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Where Are Our Shadchanim? // A second-timer
4 years ago
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I enjoyed reading Rav Efrem Goldberg’s article on shidduchim. As a divorced older single, the issue becomes even more applicable because of my past experience. I feel that sometimes people have this expectation of getting a perfect spouse, and as the Rav so eloquently expressed, no one is perfect! So the question becomes, can what I have been through collide or gel with what the potential shidduch has been through — and not automatically turning down a shidduch just because they have been through something.
I would also like to bring up another topic that I encounter as an older single. I put myself out there, send my résumé to countless shadchanim, met with many shadchanim, and speak on the phone with many shadchanim in numerous states and even in different countries. Some are nice enough to respond that they don’t deal with older singles, but some don’t return phone calls, emails, or texts even just to let me know they don’t deal with older singles. Most single events are for the younger crowd. Where are the shadchanim that do deal with older singles? Maybe you can run an article about remembering your older singles in your community and find out who is brave enough to redt shidduchim to older singles who’ve experienced either divorce or the death of a spouse, which are both very painful to go through.
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Who Needs Impeccable? // M. G.
4 years ago
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When our children entered shidduchim, I was “educated” about how résumés work by being told to focus on gaps and read between the lines for potential problems. When I asked simple questions such as, “What if they just needed more time or something came up (like real life) that changed their plans?” I was countered with: “What do you want to do, change the system?”
As parents, haven’t we been taught to focus on the unique greatness and potential for every person? Having grit and being positive are character traits that are much more useful in marriage than being “impeccable,” as a candidate was once described to me by a reference, with a sniff. Nothing shut down my interest more.
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Disturbing Calls // L. G.
4 years ago
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I was thrilled when I saw the cover of Mishpacha this week, and even more thrilled when I read Rabbi Goldberg’s article. I’m a 21-year-old single girl, and I get many calls from parents asking for shidduch information about my friends. I’m more than happy to give of my time, and the majority of my calls have been positive experiences. Recently though, I’ve had phone calls that weren’t just “not positive,” but also downright disturbing.
I honestly feel that these types of phone calls are hurtful to the shidduch. Don’t believe me? Have you ever been asked to compare girls? Has anyone called you about one person, didn’t like what they heard, then asked you about someone else in the same sentence — and then asked you to compare their middos?
I have been asked to list off girls who I think meet specific requirements. I have been kept on the phone for an hour — in my opinion, the call should last max 20 minutes, unless maybe you’re good friends or relatives and are schmoozing with them. During one hour-long phone call that I will never forget, every time I answered a question, the parent would go on to explain how things are done in their home, how they don’t agree with the way the frum community does things, and how their son is such a masmid that he knew the answer to a sh’eilah that learned rabbanim in their community didn’t know. (And this was necessary to tell me because…?)
I have had callers start to ask about me and my life, which becomes super awkward. You’re calling about my friend, I want to give information about my friend, and now I’m somehow supposed to paint myself in a positive light since I’m also in shidduchim, without turning the spotlight completely on me — because you called about my friend.
If you’re calling me for information, please introduce yourself (I know this is controversial, and I’m curious to hear others’ thoughts). One mother called and when I asked who was calling, was not willing to say. I said I would prefer to know with whom I’m speaking, and without a word she hung up on me. I was taught to only give information to people who identify themselves so that my information is given l’toeles. (Again, I’d like to know what others think.) Please ask relevant, specific, “friend of the girl” appropriate questions about this girl, and hang up.
There are so many classes for single girls about how to give shidduch information, it’s about time there are classes for parents for how to get it. Maybe Rabbi Goldberg will give the first one.
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Committed to Questions // Name Withheld
4 years ago
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Having married off several children and currently in the parshah with another, I take very strong exception to Rabbi Efrem Goldberg’s article, which alleged that too many inquiries are being made before allowing couples to date.
While I agree wholeheartedly that references should not be asked about medical issues, it is perfectly fair to pose those questions to the parents. Of course, I understand the need to give those with medical issues a fair shot in the dating pool, but I am going to venture a guess that Rabbi Goldberg has never been on the other side of the equation — having his child become emotionally involved in a promising relationship only to have it blow up when they find out about a previously undisclosed issue.
I have. More than once.
It is devastating to see your child heartbroken when they realize that they have to end a relationship with someone they thought was “the one” when a significant health issue was finally disclosed. (And yes, we did ask about health issues before agreeing to the shidduch and were reassured that there weren’t any.) Adding insult to injury, my son had to take the fall for the shidduch’s sudden and unexpected end on both occasions in order to protect the other side’s confidentiality, making him look bad in front of the shadchan who will likely never redt him another shidduch again. Support from friends, relatives, and others to get them through what is most certainly a trying time? That can’t happen when the real reason for the relationship’s abrupt end has to be kept secret to protect the other side’s privacy.
May Rabbi Goldberg never go through this painful and heart-wrenching experience with his children and may all of our singles find their basherts smoothly, easily, and painlessly. Meanwhile, I am going to keep asking my questions, not because I want to, but because I have learned that I have to.
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Goal-Oriented Questions // A Shadchan & Shidduch Agent
4 years ago
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Rabbi Goldberg is correct that shidduch reference checking has gotten out of hand, with questions about tablecloth colors and bank statements. Any sign of imperfection can get a great boy or girl thrown from the pile of résumés. But that doesn’t mean all questions are unnecessary.
As a teacher, I am often asked by my students to be their shidduch “agent” and help with their phone calls. Some of them don’t have parents who are on the same page as them or in the same country to help them. I have the zechus of working with individuals who are not looking for perfection, because they are well aware of what is out there, and they just want a person of fine character with whom they can build a Torah home. But, when they voice a concern about a particular issue — especially one of emotional instability, history of psychological illness, or addiction — I take it seriously. Medication need not be indicative of a future divorce situation, but the question usually needs to be asked. References often conceal information if not asked directly, and a serious psychological issue can destroy a marriage, especially in a case where they are trying to hide it.
When I call a reference and one of the first questions I ask is about psychological issues, it’s usually because I have already spoken to several other close friends of the “candidate” who have given me lots of great information, making this worth pursuing. Yet many of those wonderful references readily admit that they cannot vouch for the emotional stability of this person and that it would be best to check with someone who knows them more intimately or for a longer period of time. And that’s where these goal-oriented phone calls come in. (I tell my students that it is important for them to have someone on their list of references who can answer about their emotional stability and give a confident, true answer when asked.)
I can’t speak for those who just have a checklist in front of them and are looking for the slightest imperfection to nix the shidduch. I go into it with an open mind, an innocent-until-proven-guilty approach. But there are cases where I wouldn’t call the candidate “guilty” rather “not shayach” for this girl or boy who does not feel ready to handle that issue in a marriage.
I think that rather than not ask the question, we need to educate better about what medication means and does not mean. First of all, someone on medication is aware of their issues, as opposed to those who are completely ignoring them. Second, not all meds are created equal. A mild antidepressant (quite common today for teens) is not the same as meds that treat bipolar disorder. And while medication for ADHD may not be a reason to break a shidduch, it could certainly help someone better understand their partner if they know that this is a challenge for them. A student once asked me if she should say no to a shidduch because the boy has severe ADHD. I described to her the possible mailos and challenges of such an individual so she could decide whether that was a personality potentially compatible with hers.
It is an unfortunate reality that certain issues that can make one unsuitable for marriage are not unusual. (Rabbi Goldberg writes that they are hopefully not so common, but that is not my experience.) Therefore, the questions do need to be asked, but how we then understand and filter that information will be the true test of our intentions.
I have made a few shidduchim with knowledge of problems in the family background. When the boy or girl first came to me entering the parshah, they voiced concern about their “flaws” and I would tell them what I tell all my students: If it matters to them so much, then they are not for you. You are going to find someone for whom this is a maileh. And they did!
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When You Don’t Ask // Name Withheld
4 years ago
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We were the model parents that Rabbi Efrem Goldberg said we should all aspire to be. Our eldest child entered the world of shidduchim and we naively said yes without doing too much research. On two occasions, this approach hit us very hard.
After developing a relationship, a potential spouse revealed that they had suffered from severe anxiety issues. As a result, our child walked away heartbroken. On another occasion, as we sat down with potential mechutanim, they revealed that they could not assist the soon-to-be kollel couple with support or with the cost of the wedding. Not only were we unable to take on full support, we felt like this exhibited a lack of yashrus on their behalf. Once again our child walked away heartbroken.
We very quickly learned that it was our responsibility as parents to ask many questions and conduct thorough research prior to saying yes to a shidduch. Please do not make the same mistake we did. You owe it to your precious children!
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Who Needs Impeccable? // M. G.
4 years ago
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When our children entered shidduchim, I was “educated” about how résumés work by being told to focus on gaps and read between the lines for potential problems. When I asked simple questions such as, “What if they just needed more time or something came up (like real life) that changed their plans?” I was countered with: “What do you want to do, change the system?”
As parents, haven’t we been taught to focus on the unique greatness and potential for every person? Having grit and being positive are character traits that are much more useful in marriage than being “impeccable,” as a candidate was once described to me by a reference, with a sniff. Nothing shut down my interest more.
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Stop the Degradation // Tova Weinstein
4 years ago
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A shadchan recently told me a story. He approached a bochur and suggested a certain girl as a shidduch. The bochur scrolled through pictures on his phone and, pointing to a picture of a girl, asked “you mean her?” She had never been redt to this bochur before. A friend of his shared her picture with him. This shadchan assures me that this is not an isolated incident among our yeshivah bochurim. Even someone who would claim that circulating girls’ photographs for the purpose of shidduchim is proper hishtadlus, should certainly agree that this is inappropriate.
Rabbi Efrem Goldberg quoted Rav Dovid Feinstein ztz”l and ybdchl”t Rav Chaim Kanievsky as stating that the practice of shidduch pictures makes no sense; one must meet a girl in person in order to see if he is attracted to her. A shadchan shared with me a story about a boy who admitted that if he had seen a picture he would never have gone out with this girl, but after just one date he sees that it was truly worthwhile to meet her.
At the 2019 Agudah Convention the issue of shidduch photos came up at two different sessions. Rav Aharon Lopiansky described a picture as “the klipah chitzonius. It’s just the body.” Rav Moshe Tuvia Lieff said about pictures that they’re “not three-dimensional. Panim means face which means that there’s an inside, there’s a whole dimension that you don’t see. It’s very superficial, it’s more like Hollywood than our reality.”
A relationship that is built on such superficial values has very little staying power. In an era where early divorces are becoming alarmingly common, we need to take a good look at how our young couples are building those relationships. What messages are we imparting to our daughters and sons? Do they understand the inner workings of a relationship and the values that really matter in a marriage? Or are they being told, outright and subliminally, that the outer appearance is of utmost importance?
At the same Agudah Convention, Rabbi Yechiel Rhine said the following: “It’s not fair to make a girl stand up against the world by herself. We need to stand up as a klal and say pictures have to stop.”
I think that we all need to step up and present a unified front stating that we will no longer stand for this degradation of the people and concepts that we hold so dear. We have the power to stand up together and say “we will no longer look at or share shidduch pictures.” Let’s join together and show that as a community we know what is truly valuable.
I am working on creating a way to unite those who are interested in putting an end to the practice of shidduch photos. I have spoken to multiple people who are in influential positions and have the ability to assist in creating true change. The next step is in your hands. We need to show that there are many who feel passionate about this issue. A strong reaction from the collective readers will be the catalyst that can propel us towards this goal.
Please email and affirm that you disagree with this practice that has become the norm. Please let us know your role in shidduchim (girl, mother of a girl, mother of a boy, shadchan, etc). Email addresses or names will not be shared with anyone without your permission. We are not asking for any commitments at this time, just your support in writing.
Let’s show our communities how many people are interested in joining together with the klal to bring about this desperately needed paradigm shift.
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Convoluted Process // A Frustrated Rebbitzen
4 years ago
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As a rebbetzin who is not an official shadchan but tries to help set people up, I often comment on how these days I will have the same excited reaction when a couple agrees to go on a first date as I used to when a couple got engaged! With the extensive research and the amount of steps it takes these days to simply go out on a date, it’s a miracle anyone is getting married.
Unfortunately, as a result, it is becoming increasingly disheartening to put the time and effort into making shidduchim when the result is often a dead end. What a shame if people like myself will stop trying to set up singles because of all this unnecessary frustration!
I also wonder at which point did we start taking these decisions out of our single boys’ and girls’ hands and began to micromanage their entire dating parshah. Aren’t they the ones who will be getting married? Shouldn’t they be making these determinations, without all the adults in their lives — be it their parents, shadchanim, rebbeim, or dating coaches strongly weighing in and influencing them in different directions?
What are we doing to our youngsters when we don’t allow them to choose who they want to even go out with on a date?
I hope we can come up with the necessary solutions to help our children find their voices, empower them to make their own good decisions, and to be able to set up more first dates.
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We Need Trust // Ruthie Teverovskiy
4 years ago
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Rabbi Efrem Goldberg brought up some very good points, but I found myself thinking, “But still! What are we supposed to do when we are being set up with random people?” After much thought I came to the conclusion that we are lacking trust. Trust in the system, trust in the people who set us up, and trust in the people we date.
If we take a deep breath, trust that Hashem will bring everyone‘s proper zivugim, and not panic to get married ASAP, we will hopefully be less inclined to sugarcoat everything.
I was in shidduchim for a while and was accustomed to the classic phone calls where you dig as deep as possible, because you truly have no idea who the other person is. When my husband was redt to me, however, the shadchan (a non-professional) told me straight up: “I am going to tell you everything I know about him because there is no sense in faking things. If you think this is a good idea, then go out with him. If not, then it’s not worth his time or your time to date.”
I had so much more menuchas hanefesh when I looked into and dated my husband because I knew he was not hiding anything, and I knew that the shadchan wanted us to end up happy and not just married for the sake of marriage. I implore everyone to be a little more open and honest. Then we can rebuild trust in the system and have more menuchas hanefesh and happiness.
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Stop the Denial // Esther Gross
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I appreciate Rabbi Efrem Goldberg’s revealing, authentic, heartwarming recently featured article.
I authored the book You Are Not Alone — a Three-Dimensional Approach to Overcoming Anxiety many years ago. My aim was to share some insight, as well as professional advice and the Torah‘s perspective on coping with anxiety, panic and depression.
Once the manuscript was completed, I offered it to a reputable publisher and they responded, “Who suffers from anxiety? No, please don’t send us a copy! Not interested!”
Since my mission is my commission I called another publisher: Feldheim Publishers, founded in 1939. They welcomed my manuscript enthusiastically and published and printed it several times. Thank Hashem, it has sold thousands of copies and it is also available in Yiddish.
To all the shadchanim and those who are going through the shiduchim process — stop the denial. No one is immune. Anxiety, depression, and panic disorder can visit us all uninvited, especially since COVID-19.
Taking “medication” or being in therapy is not a problem. Not taking responsibility and not doing what is required of us to heal ourselves and deal with our personal challenges and issues — that is the problem!
If one merits to meet a lovely person who is refined, kind, caring, giving, willing to go the extra mile for others, coping with life, and serving as a role model — and also taking meds or in therapy — call your rav, discuss your options, get a brachah… Mazel Tov!
Ultimately what is required of us is to build a mini personal sanctuary and to serve Hashem with joy.

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